NOTE: This meeting was disrupted by "zoom bombers". Offensive or threatening comments have been removed and noted with “”. 18:00:35 From Samuel Gordon : good evening. 18:00:39 From Samuel Gordon : thanks for joining us. 18:01:19 From Samuel Gordon : we will get started in just a few minutes. 18:05:10 From Ann : Yes 18:05:18 From Christine Nash : yes 18:05:19 From Bonnie Scutt : yes 18:05:24 From Paul Simonet : yes 18:05:27 From Debra Walsh : yes 18:12:49 From Thomas Quinn : How to raise my hand? 18:13:24 From Carrie CoatesWhitmore : click on participants and at the bottom of the box there is a raise your hand option 18:13:28 From Martha Robertson : Click on "Reactions". You should see a "Raise Hand" button there. 18:13:34 From iPad : Try tapping upper right. 18:13:51 From Kyle Hatch : The raise hand feature is available for most zoom users at the bottom of the "participants" window. 18:14:23 From James Skaley : Mine says invite—is that the same thing 18:14:32 From Buzz Lavine : My raise my hand feature never shows up on the Participants screen. Can I use the supposed shortcut: option key + Y? 18:14:33 From Tony Salerno : no 18:14:47 From Tony Salerno : Raise hand should be to the right of invite 18:15:01 From Christine Nash : When will the minutes be posted? I had to leave early last night and I heard there was some discussion about spending $3M on a walking bridge over Rt 13 for the Rail Trail. 18:16:18 From Kyle Hatch : If you don't see "Raise Hand" in the participants window you should be able to access it through the "Reactions" button at the bottom of the Zoom window. 18:16:19 From Martha Robertson : This time, I don't see the raise hand on the bottom of participants. Check on "Reactions". You should see a "Raise Hand" button there. 18:16:32 From Tony Salerno : the recording for last night is on the dryden2045.org website 18:16:38 From Stephanie M. - Ithaca, NY : do you have a "reactions" option? 18:16:57 From Tony Salerno : also other info is there is well from last night's meeting 18:17:26 From Buzz Lavine : There is no “raise hand” in in my participants panel. How should I let you know I’d like to speak? 18:17:43 From Tony Salerno : look under "reactions" where it is depends on how you are connected 18:17:56 From Stephanie M. - Ithaca, NY : try clicking on "Reactions" - there should be a raise hand option 18:18:16 From James Skaley : Ok—reactions has the raise hand 18:18:26 From Christine Nash : I couldn't find the recordings from last night. I'll make sure to follow up on this $3M for a walking bridge. I'm wondering why this is preferred over walking along the water. 18:18:27 From John Kiefer : If you cant raise your hand put a note in chat and we'll recognize you 18:18:35 From Susan Suarez : On Mac computers, if you pull your pointer down to the bottom on the screen, you’ll see”reactions”, Click on that and you will see “raise hand” 18:19:34 From Tony Salerno : Raise hand depends on the device you are using - see https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205566129-Raising-your-hand-in-a-webinar 18:19:35 From RYE : What about supporting farming? 18:20:52 From iPad : Please define “nodal areas” 18:21:37 From Nancy : ANOTHER Goal would be to Keep Taxes as affordable as possible, minimal tax increases. 18:21:50 From Alicia Caswell : Yes 18:22:07 From Douglas Brown : Agree with Nancy. 18:22:14 From Laura Hathaway : Agree also with Nancy 18:22:21 From John & Kelly Daley : absolutely agree with Nancy!!!!!! 18:22:55 From joan stock : Agree with Nancy! 18:22:58 From iPad : .....another words, a clustering. 18:23:01 From pam : Agree with Nancy! Ours have gone up >25% just in four years 18:23:17 From Kathy Russell : I disagree with Nancy. We support raising taxes if necessary to protect public interest and human rights. 18:23:37 From Martha Robertson : Most of property taxes are school district taxes - by a lot! 18:24:44 From Mike Pitzrick (he/him/his) : I agree. The topics under discussion tonight will not impact school tax rates. 18:25:01 From Nancy : In deciding goals for our family we have always taken the cost into account as we plan. With the Rail Bridge being approved before the cost determined that seems to put the cart before the horse. 18:25:02 From joan stock : How do you propose raising taxes to protect human rights Kathy Russell? 18:25:38 From pam : That was just our property tax 18:25:55 From John Daley : three kiddos in college maybe help pay my taxes. you seem like a very generous person. 18:26:32 From James Crawford’s iPhone : someone just texted they cannot join this zoom call due to “limit of 100”!! 18:26:54 From Debra Walsh : Is Wood Road in Freeville zoned commercial. i have an upholstery business across the street from me. 18:26:54 From Jolene : someone needs to pay the compliance monitors living wage..... 18:26:57 From Douglas Brown : Lowering taxes is a "no brainer" but it never seems to happen. 18:27:06 From iPad : If true 100 limit, we have a huge problem! 18:27:55 From John & Marcia Lafian : ...specifically to be considerate of (not) raising taxes. 18:28:51 From Laura Hathaway : Thank you Rye. I like living in farm country. 18:29:29 From Martha Robertson : Is there really a limit of 100? Cause we're at that number. 18:29:40 From Alicia Caswell : We agree Rye! Living in farm country is the best! 18:29:46 From C Dougherty : Ideally Economic Development would focus on our existing assets, the farmers, and promoting recreational tourism since we are adjacent to the Finger Lakes Wine Trails, etc. Our current infrastructure will not support industrial commercial development or high density residential. 18:30:06 From Christine Nash : They're license is limited to 100 people. I question the legality of this meeting if they're not allowing more than 100 people to attend. 18:30:28 From Ken Miller : When talking about ag, be very mindful of farmers rights when implementing ideas and that by your regs you don't reduce their rights through eminet domain. 18:30:40 From Alicia Caswell : Because they would have to pay for it to have over 100 people 18:30:56 From Christine Nash : Right. They need the large meeting add-on. 18:31:01 From Mike Pitzrick (he/him/his) : All the problems folks are having with their internet bandwidth would seem to argue for the Town Board's initiative to bring affordable community broadband to the Town! 18:31:14 From Alicia Caswell : So true Mike! 18:31:32 From Christine Nash : I have no problems with my internet. 18:31:32 From Andrea’s iPhone : agree Mike! 18:31:35 From Martha Robertson : C. Dougherty - There are places that have the infrastructure to support industrial businesses. Would be best for our tax base and local jobs if we can fully utilize those areas! 18:31:37 From Nancy Kleinrock : I was just thinking what Mike Pitzrick just articulated, too 18:31:57 From Douglas Brown : For those of you that have Frontier internet, they just texted and said there are internet outages in our area. 18:32:15 From Alicia Caswell : of course they do 18:32:16 From iPad : 100 limit.....we need to wait and push this 2045 down the road so to be inclusive to the rest of our community. 18:32:22 From Edward Wilson : The Town Should NOT get into providing internet services it's not the town responsibility 18:32:23 From McRae/Conner : broadband for all at affordable rates — Yay! 18:33:00 From Anthony : I agree with iPad 18:33:00 From Edward Wilson : Our taxes just went up 20% 18:33:07 From iPad : This meeting is failing our community!!!!!!! 18:33:36 From mark hess : Hasn't the town already received grants to become its own internet provider? 18:33:44 From Ken Miller : farmers know how to keep their best land and use poor land to keep themselves going, and that may mean selling some land which a long standing practice. Remember with out farmers you don't have farm, just brush covered fields. 18:33:50 From McRae/Conner : Supporting our farmers includes supporting young farmers getting access to land. 18:34:23 From Alicia Caswell : you also don't have milk, meat, eggs, fresh produce 18:34:23 From Edward Wilson : Received Grants. Whose money was that? The government spending our tax dolars? 18:34:28 From Ann : Accessible, affordable internet is a hugely important issue affecting the whole community. It should not be controlled by one company that continually increases prices and doesn't improve reach or quality. 18:34:41 From iPad : Community voices are not being heard! 18:34:43 From Christine Nash : I'm disturbed that there are more people wanting to join this meeting that cannot due to the 100 participant limit. 18:35:03 From Jolene : agreed christine 18:35:08 From Edward Wilson : Bruno has been waiting since the beginning 18:35:18 From John Daley : agree with Christine N. 18:35:21 From iPad : Host, why are you not responding to this 100 limit! 18:35:29 From Anthony : I agree with Christine. 18:35:36 From Martha Robertson : I understand that they can have more meetings! It's great that this many people want to participate! 18:35:53 From Jacques Schickel : When everyone can’t get in because of the 100 person limit . this becomes an illegal meeting 18:36:01 From Eveline Ferretti : I was able to get in by repeated tries. Wondering if moderators can increase the audience size limit right now? 18:36:01 From Andrea’s iPhone : another voice of agreement, this meeting isn’t hearing nor meeting the needs of the community in this format. 18:36:04 From Laura Hathaway : Perhaps a public forum after covid. 18:36:12 From iPad : Nice, but for now they are locked out!!! 18:36:26 From Jolene : yes to Laura! 18:36:33 From James Skaley : Along with CBD also hemp farming for various uses of fiber 18:36:34 From iPad : Yes, after Covid. 18:36:50 From Alicia Caswell : or spend the money on having the upgraded Zoom feature to host more than 100 people 18:37:32 From Martha Robertson : I agree with Bruno that farming should be elevated to a goal. 18:37:34 From iPad : This might cause legal problems for the town in the future. 18:37:40 From Laura Hathaway : I also agree with Bruno 18:37:41 From Jacques Schickel : I missed half hour of the meeting and had to text someone to ask if they would get off so I could get on 18:38:09 From Jacques Schickel : I think the meeting needs to stop 18:38:09 From iPad : Sorry ,you had to wait. 18:38:14 From Tony Palumbo : Will parcels outside the intended nodes be rezoned to eliminate development outside the nodes? 18:38:42 From Jolene : good question tony 18:38:45 From Douglas Brown : I have to agree with Bruno about "nodal" area developement. 18:39:08 From iPad : Yes, need to call radio stations and do some protesting this meeting. 18:39:38 From iPad : Locking out community members!! 18:40:08 From John Daley : I 18:40:12 From Alicia Caswell : Amen Bruno!!! 18:40:19 From Jacques Schickel : people are trying to get on but then give up. this is NOT RIGHT 18:40:30 From Nancy : I agree with Bruno on school taxes being high. 18:40:41 From Ann : I think people are trying their best to offer what can be offered under difficult circumstances. Making the limitations into something it's not is not helpful. 18:40:45 From iPad : No, calling radio. 18:41:04 From Jacques Schickel : THIS MEETING NEEDS TO STOP BECAUSE PEOPLES RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED 18:41:09 From joan stock : Agree Bruno about being open for business!! 18:41:18 From iPad : Agree.....stop meeting. 18:41:32 From Eveline Ferretti : Comparative school tax info available here: https://www.ithacacityschools.org/tax Don't see the higher rate for Dryden noted there. Is it outdated? 18:41:35 From Laura Hathaway : Reschedule with added capacity 18:41:38 From John Daley : In consideration of this pandemic, our town and region is obviously preoccupied with many more pressing needs. I think this plan needs more feedback from more of our residents before it's final approval by the Dryden Town Board. 18:41:58 From Jolene : yes to John Daley! 18:42:19 From Trevor McKee : The website is open for comments at all times to all residents 18:42:19 From joan stock : Agree John Daley!! 18:42:25 From iPad : Yes.. stop meeting. 18:42:45 From Nancy : agree with John. 18:42:49 From Jolene : geez....there’s water shortages 18:42:55 From Buzz Lavine : I believe that we have very little control over school taxes. In addition, there are many reasons that Dryden’s school taxes are high, widespread busing being among them. 18:43:17 From Nancy Kleinrock : It is unfortunate that capacity has been reached, but any interested resident is welcome to watch the video afterward and make comments through the website. 18:43:39 From Jacques Schickel : I would like to speak please 18:43:48 From John Suter : And affordable broadband is not just for businesses. It's crucial for all residents, and especially for low-income residents. With growing use of the internet for education purposes and working at home, absence of universal access simply exacerbates economic and cultural injustice. 18:43:56 From Martha Robertson : Actually, recently we've seen two manufacturing operations move from the City of Ithaca into the Town of Dryden - because we DO have some space with infrastructure! 18:44:14 From Nancy Kleinrock : Moreover, this series of forums represent the early part of the comprehensive plan process, not the end of it. 18:44:27 From John Daley : great points Bill Ackroyd!! 18:44:37 From Eveline Ferretti : Good clarification Nancy--thanks! 18:44:39 From James Crawford’s iPhone : HAVING A CAPACITY LIMIT? THAT’S AWFUL! 18:44:46 From Christine Nash : What we have, Bill, is Rt. 13, a major route for commercial and industrial traffic to larger cities. It appears that our Town Board is trying to change that. 18:44:47 From Jolene : I don’t know.....seems like some things are decided and then we’re informed 18:45:11 From Anthony : Bill is correct 18:45:11 From Paul Simonet : Excellent comments from Bill A. 18:45:54 From Michelle Sinnigen : I agree! 18:46:02 From iPad : Agree , her 100% 18:46:06 From Alicia Caswell : Excellent Comments Bill and Christine 18:46:13 From Alicia Caswell : It is wrong to continue 18:46:18 From Andrea’s iPhone : her point was everyone is NOT here 18:46:24 From Laura Hathaway : Agree 18:46:27 From iPad : Yes, it is wrong. 18:46:30 From Trevor McKee : If this had been held in the Dryden Town Hall they would be able to accommodate...100 people 18:46:31 From joan stock : Thank you Christine, meeting should be postponed until more people can attend. 18:46:43 From Ann : Can anyone cite the reference for this meeting not being legal based on the limits of capacity? I am unfamiliar with that law. 18:47:41 From Adrienne : I believe that everyone has the chance to comment at any time on the town website. 18:47:44 From Dan Lamb : To be clear, the town welcomes businesses, Incodema just announced a move here bringing 50 jobs. https://whcuradio.com/news/025520-dryden-says-it-has-room-to-grow-light-industrial-businesses/ 18:48:03 From iPad : I have some friends call., they can’t get on. They are upset that it is going to go on. 18:48:04 From Bill Russell : School taxes are set by the elected board of education and by the voters in the school district, year after year. They are completely independent of the Town of Dryden. Ithaca taxes are lower because they have a MUCH larger assessed property valuation, so their tax rate can be lower. Dryden school taxes are comparable to other communities and districts of it's size. 18:48:05 From Martha Robertson : Incodema, and Emmy's Organics too! 18:48:05 From Alicia Caswell : It's not just about commenting on the website 18:48:08 From joan stock : AGREE!!!!! 18:48:14 From Alicia Caswell : AGREE!!!!!!! 18:48:15 From Christine Nash : Bravo Jacques! 18:48:18 From John & Marcia Lafian : I agree with Jacques. 18:48:22 From Alicia Caswell : It is so very wrong to continue!!!! 18:48:27 From Anthony : I second the motion 18:48:37 From iPad : Yes, you are brushing it off! 18:48:44 From Alicia Caswell : I follow the motion 18:48:44 From Jolene : yes to Jacques 18:48:50 From Christine Nash : They can't have a "public" meeting an not allow the entire public to attend. 18:48:53 From Laura Hathaway : I think many of us agree. All should be able to attend. 18:48:55 From Nancy Kleinrock : if this meeting was in a building, the attendance would be limited to the fire code limits. you can’t over fill a building. This isn’t much different. 18:48:58 From iPad : It is like locking them out of a building. 18:48:59 From Dave Bradley : The 5 P’s - Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance. If NY State Legalizes Weed, where would the bud equivalent of brew pubs be located, how many would be allowed. Probable sales of ~ $1 million/yr per facility means ~ $4000/day @ 250 days/yr in sales, and at $100 per person, that’s ~ 40 customers per day - so a bit more traffic. It also puts the “recreational” in tourism… except that most of the states and provinces around us (Ontario, Quebec, Vermont, Massachusetts, New Jersey and soon Pennsylvania) are already in “civilized mode”. BTW, this also goes good with hiking (State Forests), wineries, restaurants, brew pubs. After all, there is this thing called The Munchies… 18:49:00 From Martha Robertson : If we were in the Town Hall in person, there would be fire regulations and we wouldn't be able to have 1000 people there either. 18:49:16 From Bill Russell : Martha is exactly right. 18:49:25 From Alicia Caswell : I think everyone should just leave the meeting in protest 18:49:25 From Christine Nash : Not inside, Martha. Doesn't mean people can't stand outside. 18:49:32 From LG Stylo 5 : Absolutely Mr. Shickle! 18:49:33 From Lawrence : Reschedule or perhaps repeat this meeting is a sound suggestion. 18:49:37 From Dan Lamb : We’re in a pandemic and doing the best we can to carry on town business. 18:49:40 From Kathy Russell : COntinue the meeting! 18:49:41 From Bonnie Scutt : I agree about the meeting not going forward unless everyone who wants to get into the meeting can. 18:49:43 From Stephanie M. - Ithaca, NY : If this meeting were to be held at the Town Hall, there would still be a capacity limit and some people would not be able to attend 18:49:45 From Martha Robertson : Aren't we wasting people's time with this issue? We're here now. We can have other meetings. 18:49:58 From Joe Wilson : What about a second meeting. Keep the record we have made and schedule another higher capacity meeting. 18:50:10 From Eveline Ferretti : I agree with Joe Wilson 18:50:10 From Adrienne : Please leave if you think it's not acceptable. Right now, YOU are stealing time from people who want to speak. 18:50:18 From Jolene : Dan Lamb...this stuff isn’t an emergency and can WAIT to hear ALL the people in the community 18:50:20 From iPad : Martha R. respect the people the peoples voice. 18:50:28 From Kathy Russell : Please don't let Jacques hyjack the meeting 18:50:29 From James Holman : still 100 is redicously low but let's continue 18:50:33 From Trevor McKee : Jacques is wasting everyone's time. Please act in a respectful way to those working 18:50:41 From Christine Nash : My time isn't being wasted. I would say it's an entirely necessary conversation. 18:50:42 From John Daley : Can the organizer's agree to have more meetings about this please? 18:51:01 From James Holman : he's obviously right but let's continue 18:51:03 From Christine Nash : Everybody does not have an opportunity to speak at this meeting. 18:51:08 From Kathy Russell : Yes, schedule additional meeting 18:52:11 From iPad : People that called me are feeling left out and stressed. 18:52:50 From Paul Simonet : Well said, Charles. 18:53:05 From Ann : Yes, thank you to people who are trying hard to do this under difficult circumstances. We can be supportive and offer reasonable ideas instead of being childish. 18:53:24 From Ann : And now we're on to conspiracy theories. 18:53:34 From Ann : I agree. 18:53:43 From John Daley : OH NO!!!!!!! 18:53:49 From Christine Nash : It's $150.00 to add the additional people! 18:54:09 From Adrienne : So the point is to make as much noise and confusion as possible and pretend that you are standing up for the community. 18:54:28 From Adrienne : Yes, Martha, thank you. 18:54:32 From Trevor McKee : I am ashamed to be in this meeting with people writing disgraceful comments. 18:54:34 From Christine Nash : Isn't that why you're using the "Raise your hand" feature? 18:54:52 From Trevor McKee : Thank You Martha 18:55:06 From Tony Palumbo : Opening the meeting to 1,000 doesn't mean 1,000 will attend. 18:55:21 From Jolene : looks like a kid got on.... 18:55:23 From Christine Nash : Someone has hacked this meeting. You really need to investigate. 18:55:26 From Laura Hathaway : Are we being hacked? I cannot believe this is a resident. 18:55:33 From Paul Simonet : Agree Martha. 18:55:38 From Kellie Lamoreau she/her : PLEASE remove who ever wrote that. Hate should not be tolerated. 18:56:42 From Laura Hathaway : I am nervous that we are being hacked. Does anyone know how to find out? 18:56:49 From Jacques Schickel : I believe they limited to 100 people for a reason 18:57:26 From Christine Nash : For everybody's security here, I hope you have proper firewalls in place. 18:57:43 From : 18:57:59 From Christine Nash : $149.90!!! 18:58:05 From James Holman : there's nothing to do about the 100 tn, setup another meeting and move forward tn as I am interested in the last talking point.... 18:58:09 From Lyza Feint : I have been trying to get in since 6pm, I know many others as well. I was just able to get in. 18:58:17 From Bill Ackroyd : you can add participants in zoom. it’s a “large meeting add on” 18:58:21 From Christine Nash : The additional cost is $149.90!!! 18:58:37 From Bill Russell : For what it's worth, I left the meeting, then was able to rejoin with no problem 18:58:53 From Eveline Ferretti : Is there a website where the goals we are discussing are listed that we could go to? If yes, could URL be shared? 18:59:01 From iPad : Than you, C. Nash. 149.00 that was all? 18:59:09 From Christine Nash : Yes 18:59:29 From Kyle Hatch : Eveline - comments can be shared on the comprehensive plan website. https://www.dryden2045.org/ 18:59:30 From Christine Nash : https://zoom.us/pricing 18:59:57 From iPad : Will check it out. C . Nash. 19:00:12 From Eveline Ferretti : And yes, I've found the goals at https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d8a5e0e359d1f0a4ba191d7/t/600f2aadacd4c17f0763675d/1611606702006/2021-01-06_Dryden+Public+Meeting+ENERGY+AND+SUSTAINABILITY+THEMATIC+AREA.pdf 19:00:54 From Christine Nash : Correction: It's $199.90 for up to 300 people. 19:01:08 From James Crawford’s iPhone : Bottom of participants box. 19:01:23 From iPad : Still cheap,199. 19:01:27 From Eveline Ferretti : For economic development goals: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d8a5e0e359d1f0a4ba191d7/t/600f2a9aacd4c17f07636673/1611606682604/2021-01-06_Dryden+Public+Meeting+ECONOMIC+DEVELOPMENT+THEMATIC+AREA.pdf 19:01:28 From James Crawford’s iPhone : Click that button. 19:02:41 From Stephanie M. - Ithaca, NY : can you define infill and adaptive reuse? 19:02:49 From Adrienne : Can't stay longer, but appreciate very much the hosts who have shown patience and respect when unfairly attacked. My concerns are to keep the rural nature of Dryden, to work toward better, wider, affordable internet, and to protect our environment. Once we destroy our environment, it is impossible to get it back. 19:03:11 From Trevor McKee : Thank You Adrienne! 19:03:48 From Martha Robertson : I agree with Adrienne. Well said! 19:03:49 From Laura Hathaway : That is also my major concern Adrienne 19:03:51 From Kathy Russell : I agree with Charles Geisler. 19:04:43 From Laura Hathaway : Have lived her on my Grandpa's farm my whole life and would like the town to remain mostly agricultural 19:04:54 From : 19:04:59 From iPad : When are we going to protect our environment with a “steep slope protection” Surrounding townships have them. Dryden has failed in this area. 19:05:40 From Lyza Feint : what is going on with these comments?! 19:06:01 From Alicia Caswell : zoom bombing 19:06:05 From John Daley : We need to stop this meeting and ask for some cyber security to be added immediately. This is embarrassing for Dryden residents who care about our community. 19:06:06 From Nancy : THREATS ARE BEING MADE ON CHAT. 19:06:14 From Jolene : yes!!!!! what about steep slope development? talk about ruining the beauty of Dryden, adding to our water flow problems.... 19:07:36 Paul Simonet: G2G, thanks for your efforts! 19:07:53 Jolene: I hope you’re not implying that a Dryden resident is using such comments to stop the meeting. 19:08:11 James Crawford’s iPhone: I’m getting off. This is getting hacked. 19:08:31 Laura Hathaway: Think I will too if that is the case. 19:09:07 Jhonny : 19:09:28 McRae/Conner: We are leaving due to the hacks. 19:09:32 iPad: Yes, water off steep slopes are flooding Route 13 . NYS DOT now has to put new culverts under route 13 at NYS tax payers expense. 19:09:33 John Daley: Jhonnny go away 19:09:34 Bonnie Scutt: All, do not click on the link where it's asking to fill out a survey. It maps your location 19:09:35 Kellie Lamoreau she/her: GREAT QUESTION, Kathy!!! 19:09:37 Christine Nash: The hacker could have been anywhere. Another country. 19:10:05 Lyza Feint: Leaving as well. This makes me uncomfortable. 19:10:28 iPad: Martha, don’t silence my voice. 19:10:34 Lyza Feint: Would hope police will be watching main street tonight 19:10:34 joan stock: If you get rid of chat, you need to close the meeting. 19:10:50 Jolene: it’s one person...ignore them